Old master and sine wave

Discussion in 'General Taekwondo Discussions' started by Finlay, Jun 8, 2017.

  1. Finlay

    Finlay Active Member

    First question

    Is it possible to have a discussion on sine wave without people bashing it, calling it ineffective or pretending to know how General Choi personally felt about it.

    Second question

    How many of the old masters adopted sine wave in their teaching. I am specifically interested in GM Rhee. Him being known for his power breaks and also being close to the General.

    I have seen breaking videos and he seems to favour hip twist (maybe just a little) I was wondering what he teaches
  3. liquidcadmus

    liquidcadmus New Member

    people who talk negatively about stuff in martial arts are usually people who know nothing about the subject they are talking about.
    Sinewave makes scientific sense and it adds a lot of power to some movements if you do it properly.

    in 90% of the world, all ITF dojangs use sinewave, just in some schools in the US, Canada and UK there's some teachers that don't teach sinewave, and also do the patterns in a very unusual way.
    I don't understand the reason they don't do it the way the General intended it to be done. maybe the teachers at the time couldn't master the sinewave and out of frustration decided to discard it altogether.
  4. Matt

    Matt Member

    I have no knowledge on GM Rhee. I was taught under a Grandmaster from the US that trained in Korea with some fo their generals. He also has a background in Okinawan Karate, and some other ancient martial art. Therefore, we use both up and down sine wave as well as hip rotation.
  5. liquidcadmus

    liquidcadmus New Member

    I didnt mean all dojangs in the USA dont use sinewave, just that many there don't for whatever reason.
  6. Pleonasm

    Pleonasm Active Member

    I have corresponded with a former student of GM Rhee, who informed me that GM Rhee has failed students who did not perform Sine Wave pronounced enough.... So GM Rhee is on the radical spectrum when it comes to Sine Wave. Make no misstake about it:)
  7. Pleonasm

    Pleonasm Active Member

    It varies. It depends on if they left the ITF before Sine Wave was implemented. Those that left before that time do not in fact teach Sine Wave for obvious reasons.
  8. Pleonasm

    Pleonasm Active Member

    I should add that some departed post Sine Wave into independent organisation and still dropped Sine Wave. One being the late Park Jung Tae.

    I hope this answers your question and you are very welcomed.
  9. Finlay

    Finlay Active Member

    I guess it makes sense being so close to the General that he felt a loyalty to him

    The video that got me questioning is this one

    No matter what you think of the break, weak brick or what ever. He does just seem to get up there a wallop it with more hip twist than sine wave.
  10. Gnarlie

    Gnarlie Well-Known Member

    By a strange political turn of events FGMR is one of my great grandmasters. My first master, and his master, both learned waist twist in the sixties and seventies, rather than sine wave, which FGMR may have picked up later. All I can say is the early GB masters (led by FGMR) learned and taught waist twist back then.

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  11. liquidcadmus

    liquidcadmus New Member

    I trained both methods. doesn't everyone? Im confused now..
  12. Pleonasm

    Pleonasm Active Member

    Yeah, that's true. In some of the basics we are actually taught to punch like boxers. Very strange when I think about it. Never seen any sine Wave instruction. Then sometimes there's pattern specific stuff and it's all about Sine Wave.
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2017
  13. Pleonasm

    Pleonasm Active Member

    That doesn't tell us anything whether he taught Sine Wave or not. Ever seen an ITF guy do a Sine Wave in free sparring? It's very rarely used in application.
  14. Pleonasm

    Pleonasm Active Member

    Here is one of the original masters who departed from ITF in 1968.

    No Sine Wave! (hurray!). :)


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