Taekwondo is useless!!

Discussion in 'General Taekwondo Discussions' started by jay driscoll, Jun 16, 2018.

  1. jay driscoll

    jay driscoll New Member

    I trained for 3 1/2 years in Peterborough UK. Got to 1st kup. Learnt all patterns, kicks to best of my ability. Some guys at work were messing around the other day. I kicked one and he grabbed my leg, I ended up on my rear!! Total ambarrasment!! Same scenario again today. Another swept my leg, and I was gone!!!

    Now, I was taught nothing really about self defense other than one step and three step, nothing about how to get out of a leg grab etc. Just patterns, and kicks.

    Now, for £59.00 a month, one would assume, that someone one level away from blackbelt would be able to breeze these attacks off, even if it is just messing about. Its bloody embarrasing, especially as they know I trained!!

    What if that was a real fight!!! I'd be screwed ((

    Any thoughts?
     
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  3. Wesley Lee

    Wesley Lee New Member

    Sounds like you were not taught to refold/recoil your kicks. As hard as you throw the kick you need to snap it back after impact. This makes it hard to grab your kick and if they do it pulls them into you so you can punch them in the face.

    TKD is a long range attack art, that many forgot to train the close range: elbows and knees.

    If you are being swept you may have too much weight on your front leg, unless they are sweeping the back leg, in that case you are too close, side step while punching the head. Or use your front leg kicks to push them or yourself back.

    TKD is a great art when used for its strengths. Oh and trained using the combat version of TKD.
     
  4. Mario Ray Mahardhika

    Mario Ray Mahardhika Active Member

    Properly trained Taekwondoin shouldn't have problem with leg grab. One leg grabbed, you still have another to both release the grabbed one while throwing an attack as well. At least a properly trained green belt should be able to do this, blue or red might even K.O.-ed the opponent straight away because having one leg grabbed is actually an advantage as you now have a stable base for doing head kicks with whatever technique you want. But remember, this must be done in a speedy way.
    Then why don't you use it? Do you still think that Taekwondo is all about kicks? I think even the simplest self defense that doesn't require you to move at all from your current position would be sufficient, but it depends on how trained your opponent is. In a street fight, you have to be smart. You know the weakness of kick is when your opponent can see it and will try to grab your leg, so don't use it blindly. Get a critical chance (use hand techniques, you have many more than foot ones, fake a move, make him lose hand control or lower his head, etc.) before throwing a kick. Taekwondo self defense is made for counterattack, it cannot be used effectively if you attack first. Well, if you're taught the principle right, you won't attack unless necessary anyway.
    That's where your mistake is. You know they know you train, they should have been prepared for leg grab in the first place. But you didn't realize.

    The way you're taught depends on the school really. Some schools are just concentrating for competitions, some for self defense, some take balance between the two. You have to know what your school concentration is.

    Last but not least, clear your mind. What is your intention? Can you actually avoid the contact? Is it something that you can just ignore or at least end by talking? Because I know some self defense specialist will refuse to teach you if you don't have good intention in the first place.
     
  5. Gazzer

    Gazzer Active Member

    Oh so now that you are close to being a black belt you are a demigod.... I see.
     
  6. Narcsarge

    Narcsarge New Member

    Just learning TKD, or any other martial art, does not mean you know what to do in a real fight. Sparring. Grappling. Being pressure tested by tough training scenarios will help but even that doesn't mean you will win a fight.

    If your leg was grabbed you were either too slow, didn't feint enough, made it obvious you were going to kick, or the other guy has training. I would suggest you analyze the situations you were and figure out how you can train to reduce your weaknesses. There are some really good simulation seminars put on by John Titchen (Karate master) and T.A.G.B. where full spartan training gear is used. Light, medium, and full contact scenarios are drilled and critiqued. All in the U.K.

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  7. Gnarlie

    Gnarlie Well-Known Member

    There are a number of logical fallacies here:

    Taekwondo does not work for me in play combat situation = Taekwondo is useless

    I am not able to apply what I have learned = Taekwondo is useless

    The only value in Taekwondo is in establishing dominance over colleagues in play fighting = Taekwondo is useless

    I have failed to learn that avoiding violence is a core value of taekwondo = Taekwondo is useless

    I could go on. Really, if you're 'messing around' with martial arts like this, you deserve to learn a thing or two, even if that means falling on your ass. 3-4 years of training is nothing - a 1st Geup is only on the verge of comprehending basics.

    So thoughts: grow up, knuckle down to some serious training, and take responsibility for your own learning. Don't blame Taekwondo for your own shortcomings.

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  8. Shawchert

    Shawchert New Member

    I am thinking this is a bad catch all title for this thread... I agree with everyone here you could have been able to get out of a leg hold if trained properly. If your class didn't do regular self defense routines then that might be why. but anyone trained in the art will know if you kick fast enough they won't have time to grab your leg. Train at a different school and learn more than what you have, and train harder on your own spare time. If you don't you'll find your punches and kicks are slow and quite useless.
     
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  9. Matt

    Matt Member

    I think the biggest concept flaw here is that sparring techniques are not the same as self-defense techniques. If you were taught to use round kicks to the body and spinning hook kicks as a form of self-defense your Master has failed you. Kicking to primary sparring targets is impractical and useless. Your self-defense training should vary greatly from sparring technique. It should emphasis elbows, knees, joint control, kicking below the belt line, not raising feet above the knees so they cannot be easily grabbed. From your description it sounds like you tried to kick someone in the stomach... this is impractical. Self-defense would tell you to instead take that round kick or side kick to the knee and blow the leg out. Or avoid kicking all together and focus on your hand combat in self-defense scenarios.
     
  10. Evildwarf

    Evildwarf Member

    ...TKD is effective when you are trained as a sport competitor and are competing against others trained in the same combat sport and following certain rules....tennis is a great sport but not effective necessarily in a game of cricket...

    Let the shouting begin...but here me out first.

    You bring a TKD style and attempt to compete in a Muay Thai ring you will find yourself carrying home an impressive array of bruises...high kicks are generally a tactically unwise move as you are incredibly vulnerable for an instant and that is all the skilled opponent needs to bring you down. Low kicks and hand strikes are a wiser bet tactically speaking.

    With the proliferation of MMA fight schools and BJJ gyms you will find more and more people are learning the basics of grappling, take-downs, ground fighting, kick-boxing techniques, Krav etc. One result being if you are going to get into a fracas it is reasonable to expect the other participants to have some training that is functionally superior to yours especially at an early black belt level.

    3 or 4 years of TKD training does not an uber-gladiator make. Keep learning and training, learn another style, BJJ and Muay Thai would be a great place to start to prepare for the street encounter that you cannot or won't avoid.

    To be clear I love TKD, it is a beautiful art that I will never perfect no matter how long I train and it is a fun combat sport to participate and spectate.

    Now on with the shout downs....
     
  11. Shawchert

    Shawchert New Member

    i'm not taught to do extremely high kicks that WT does. ITF actually doesn't focus on how high your kicks are, though they focus more on control so much of the sparring itself is not worthy of outside interventions unless your brain is thinking, this isn't sparring hit hard!! So yeah.... just wanted to put that in too ^^
     
  12. Gnarlie

    Gnarlie Well-Known Member

    Kukki TKD also does not define kick height with very few exceptions - it defines only possible targets.





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  13. Ade Tomlinson

    Ade Tomlinson New Member

    Sounds like lack of experience and lack of proper instruction .

    I have used TKD while working on doors , and while on active service so I know 100% it works.
     
  14. Finlay

    Finlay Active Member

    next time some one asks you to kick them, kick them full speed and full force. if they can still grab you then you have an issue

    also, punch them first.

    i have had a number of people tried to test me, with the bs 'try to kick me' i never 'try' to kick i also kick. if they have a problem then they shouldnt ask stupid questions
     

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